Towson isn’t ready for Plan B vending machine
When Beth, who requested not to have her real name revealed, was 18, the condom burst.
Her boyfriend at the time didn’t pressure her, but suggested that she take Plan B, an emergency contraceptive pill.
Beth, now 21, said she was naïve about the effects of Plan B, and was a little scared because she had heard rumors about the drug.
“I had heard that it starts to make you infertile, and that it starts to really screw with you, but it’s not true,” she said.
For two weeks following, however, Beth suffered from heavy vaginal blood flow and said she felt the dynamic of her relationship changed. Beth and her boyfriend broke up shortly afterward.
One year later, with a new sexual partner, Beth found she had to take Plan B again.
“We weren’t drunk or anything, she said. “It just happened. It was really stupid.”
Though Beth said she felt uncomfortable, her boyfriend insisted, and so she took another dose.
Had Beth attended Shippensburg University in Pennsylvania, she might have had access to Plan B from a vending machine, and at a discounted price. Towson considered such a program, but does not have plans to implement in the future, according to Director of Student Health Services Jane Halpern.
“When we heard that Shippensburg was using a vending machine, we decided it would be an interesting idea and that we should look into it and see if it was feasible,” she said in an email. “We already dispense Plan B now at Dowell Health Center and we try to make it simple, but students still must see a nurse to request it.”
Shippensburg’s vending machine program has existed since 2008. Both the health center and the vending machine have restricted access. Shippensburg students are the only members of the community who can use the health center services, and the vending machine is in a private room. Students must check-in at the lobby, and then are granted access to the machine. Each box costs $25, and no state-supported or taxpayer-supported dollars are used for the service, according to a statement made by Shippensburg President William Ruud.
Peter Gigliotti, Shippensburg’s executive director for university communications and marketing, said that Shippensburg was attempting to meet student needs with the vending machine.
“That’s a question each university campus has to make depending on its own culture and everything else,” he said. “We can’t say that’d it be good or bad for Towson or any other campus … there are number of institutions that are considering it after finding out we made it available this way.”
Plan B exists in two forms: One-Step and generic. The One-Step form contains 1.5 milligrams of levonorgestrel, the same hormone present in many birth control pills. The generic form contains two .75 milligrams. Plan B works by preventing or delaying ovulation, similar to birth control, and interfering with fertilization. If taken within 24-72 hours, the drug is up to 95 percent effective, according to womenshealth.gov.
Beth said that a vending machine would benefit Towson’s campus, and at the time she first used Plan B, the health center didn’t offer it.
“I think it’s more embarrassing to go to a CVS and buy it than at the health center,” she said. “Like the first time that I needed it, I thought it was at the health center and I called them and they were like, ‘No, we don’t have it here.’ Then I felt even worse about it. If it’s on campus, it’s beneficial for those who don’t have a car.”
The senior said that she doesn’t understand why so many students treat contraceptives as a taboo topic.
“Every girl I know hides the fact that they take birth control, and I think that’s so weird, because now that I’m taking it, I’ll just pull it out when I have to take it,” Beth said. “It’s your own body.”
Zach Kosinski, president of SexOUTLoud, a group that promotes free discussion and education of sexuality, said this mindset of sex negativity affects the majority of our contemporary culture.
“The idea of sex negativity is that sex is shameful or bad, that it’s not dinner table talk, keep in the bedroom,” he said. “Sex positivity says that people are having sex and we need to have access to education and we need to encourage people to talk about it and not feel shameful.”
Kosinski said that SexOUTLoud is for the vending machine proposal, and that the group would support the health center had they applied this plan.
“But we would want it in a controlled environment, like at Shippensburg,” he said. “There would be someone at the desk to check your student ID to make sure you’re 17-years-old … and then we would be concerned about not having direct interaction with a health care provider. There would need to be information there.”
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Could there be, any, more, commas, in these, sentences?
Seriously.
Why should I have to pay for someone else’s bad choices?
@Towerlight reader.
The commas are all perfectly placed and one hundred percent in style for news writing. (Except for possibly one or two in the interview quotations.)
If you’re going to critique something, please at least have a rudimentary understanding of what you’re talking about.
Excellent article. A lot to think about and consider with issue.
I’m not sure that the title of the article is appropriate, seeing as how nothing in the article pointed to the conclusion that Towson isn’t “ready”. Jane Halpern didn’t give a reason, and the two interviewees seemed supportive of it being more widely available…?
Well that’s the Towerlight! Looking at both sides of the issue! But not really! Lol
I agree the title isn’t appropriate. I thought this was an opinion piece when I first saw it.
Mr. Brooks, the cost of a few pills pales in comparison to the cost of a child born to a mother that is not ready, emotionally or physically, to take care of it. Think long term.
@A grad- while I don’t believe abortion should be illegal I find it to be morally wrong and I should not have to pay for something that violets my religion and moral beliefs.
@A Grad- O and a child is not an it.
Oh, forgive me for using a gender neutral pronoun with a gender neutral noun. How disgusting of me! *eyeroll*.
You don’t want to pay for a couple of pills, then by all means, knock yourself out paying for the all the medical, education, and general living expenses of the resultant children over the course of 18 years.
Oh, you don’t want to pay for that either? Well, then we’ll just leave the resultant children poor and uneducated so that said children will be unlikely to grow up to be a completely productive member of society. What a wonderful edition to our economy!
Oh, their parents should be taking care of them? Well, we all know that’s going to work – children should definitely be raised by people who aren’t ready for them, financially and emotionally. They’ll figure it out, no assistance necessary, right? Well, how unfortunate that human nature tells us otherwise.
Oh, someone more responsible should adopt these resultant children and take care of them? Yes that would be lovely, but given how many children age out of our foster care system every year, no, not likely.
Perhaps you should adopt all these children. Yes, I think that’s the best solution: you go out and adopt all the children whose parents are incapable of taking care of them.
It would be the religious and moral thing to do.
Oh, I forgot, you don’t want to pay for their expenses. Oops, back to the drawing board. We’ll figure it out!
@A Grad- so I should be forced to pay for adoration pills even if it violets my morality? They can have all the abortion pills they want if they want to kill there unborn child that on them but don’t make me pay for it. I would far rather pay for all thews things then pay to kill them.
I’m very glad you will be adopting all these children – good for you!
I don’t understand how you feel you have the right to force that on someone, when it violets there religion. How about improving the adoption system there are planty of parents who would take these kids just the government makes it so expensive and onerous that they cant do it.
a grad student,
Instead of all the rather stupid solutions you proposed…How about the people who need the pill pay for it?
John D,
Instead of calling other people out, how about you list the parts of the article where it was claimed that those people would not pay for it?
Towson University should not have abortion pills available in the first place. Students who are against infanticide should not have to subsidize abortions. Being asked to “check and I.D” should not be the qualification for being able to murder your own child. I find it darkly humorous that my organization receives far more flak on this campus than the notion that we are spilling the blood of the unborn on a daily basis. It is sickening that 100 yards away students can sit and eat lunch while women get the right to “choose” in what form they will end the lives of a fellow human being who cannot even defend him or herself. Towson University regularly nauseates me with its acceptance of degenerate behavior, but having a slaughterhouse on our campus takes the prize. Towson Tigers, the blood of the innocent is on your hands due to your silence.
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None whatsoever. I have little problem with this article itself except that it seems slightly biased, but that is not at all what I was talking about. I was referring to the exchange above my comment. A grad students makes the case that this should be funded by students, because otherwise we would have to pay for raising the child. I merely point out that he doesn’t address the idea that the person who actually wants a product should maybe have to pay for it…You know, like with everything else. For example, if I want allergy medication, I buy it. It’s actually pretty simple.
John D, please stop talking sense. If I’m expected to pay for things, I might be expected to work to earn the money to pay for those things. I was hoping you’d do that work instead and just give it to me, thanks. And by thanks I mean I’m going to use my time you’re paying for to blog and protest your way of life.
@a grad student: Well said!
I knew that reading these comments would only make me mad, but i just had to see them for myself. And let’s be honest, it’s hilarious. It’s so embarrassing that not only do people like this exist, but they actually think that they’re correct. Oh man, too funny.
Listen up, it’s not your choice. It’s hers. And that’s all there is to it. And there is an enormous difference between abortion and plan b. So stop with that.
@TowsonYWC: “Towson University regularly nauseates me with its acceptance of degenerate behavior, but having a slaughterhouse on our campus takes the prize. Towson Tigers, the blood of the innocent is on your hands due to your silence.”
That’s really really funny! Becasue ironically you regularly nauseate the rest of the campus! To call you a scab on the collective student body of TU would be insulting to scabs. But i agree, Towson can be nauseating when it accepts groups like yours. And let’s really think for a second about the term slaughterhouse…
Does using Plan B really equate to chopping up a born baby? NOPE. Because it prevents conception. So technically you’re just defending eggs. But if you really think that every egg in the female body deserves to be fertilized and born, then we better stop menstruation fast!
You have no right to choose how other people live their lives based on your religion. Especially when it comes to women’s bodies.
“Because it prevents conception.”
Actually, preventing conception is only one of its purposes. In the case that it doesn’t prevent conception, it prevents the fertilized egg (aka the new human being) from implanting in the uterus, therefore cutting off the resources it needs to survive. So in those cases it does end a human life.
“You have no right to choose how other people live their lives based on your religion. Especially when it comes to women’s bodies.”
Abortion and similar issues aren’t really issues of religion, they’re issues of biology. Biology states that when egg and sperm come together, a genetically unique, genetically human life is formed. It’s not just the woman’s body involved, it’s the woman and the child, and both should be treated and cared for equally because both of them are precious and valuable human beings.
@Theresa, that’s not what biology says, at all. It is most definitely an issue of religion.
@Theresa, human life does not begin at conception, the potential for human life does. It is not biologically alive until several weeks into the pregnancy when the fetus develops a brain or a heart.
And to say that birth control isn’t an issue of religion is just straight up wrong. And a grad student is correct, biology does not state that when an egg and sperm come together a life is formed. It does fertilize the egg yes, but as i said before, it’s not technically alive until it’s more than a human yolk.
If your religion doesn’t support birth control then don’t use it. But don’t take it away from everyone else. If someone’s religion said that everyone should wear baby bonnets and eat nothing but girl scout cookies, then they should by all means, do that. But they shouldn’t expect everyone else to wear a bonnet and only eat cookies because that’s crazy. You can’t force your religion on everyone.
I’d like to point out that Plan B is not an “Abortion Pill”. It does not kill a living fetus, only delays ovulation or prevents implantation, things that can also happen naturally. Are you saying it’s an abortion if you have unprotected sex, then, without your knowledge, the fertilized egg doesn’t attach itself to the uterine wall and instead falls out? Are you going to inspect everything that is discharged to ensure that there isn’t a fertilized egg in there somewhere? What would you do if you found it and it was fertilized?
If you were pregnant and took a Plan B pill, you would not lose the fetus. It is essentially a high does birth control pill that tricks a woman’s body into thinking it is already pregnant.
Jordan Brooks, did you miss the part of the article where it says “no state-supported or taxpayer-supported dollars are used for the service”? Clearly you will not be paying for it so calm down.
I concede my issue isn’t with the morality of Plan B vs other contraception…although if indeed Theresa is correct about sometimes killing off after fertilization, my position on that may change.
On the when is it a human thing, I just find that kinda funny. The only people you’ll see hit a real moment are the pro-lifers. Pro-choices will tell you anything from that when it has a brain nonsense (although still perfectly acceptable to kill it at that time) or how it is more commonly judged…viability. Which is a point in time completely driven by the progress of modern technology and neonatal care. Which really is insane, although I guess once we can take a brand new fertalized egg and get it to survive in some artificial womb, that will be the end of abortion because they’ll all be viable. This however, will not stop our great grand-grandchildren from balking in horror that we once found it fine to butcher children because we couldn’t see them in front of us and it was convenient at the time…but I guess you’re fine with that. Kudos to you, I don’t have the stomach for being an apologist of genocide.
I also think it’s crazy none of the women’s rights people ever stands up for the 500,000ish young women killed every year…
As for plan b…they give us condoms in every hall. then they scare us with condoms bursting, so we get plan b. I can’t wait for the towerlight article informing us Dowell is now prepared to cut our junk and tie our tubes…
Whoops, missed one, well Mike that may be true, but any student who pays tuition would be subsidizing it…unless they are sold at full cost, which would alleviate Jordan’s concern. I don’t know what full cost would be for them, so I suppose it’s possible that’s the case.
Is it nonsense if it’s science? I guess if you’re an inbred raised on religious babbletalk science probably sounds far fetched. You do realize that abortions can only be performed at early stages during the pregnancy right? You need to chill with the “butchering children” analogy because that is not what contraception or abortion is.
Butchering children is when an unfit or unwilling mother has the child, neglects it, raises it poorly, or kills it. That shit happens. And you can stick up for the adoption option all you want, but the adoption system is completely fucked up. There’s endless waiting periods, and there’s no guarantee that a baby will find a home let alone a decent one.
Well according to this lovely dialog….as a vegetarian I don’t think it’s fair that I have to pay for you carnivores to eat meat as it goes against my culture, religion, and moral values.
I understand the science just fine, Mike. When we can kill them is entirely based on viability, which gets earlier and earlier as our medical tech improves. My anger over abortion is entirely secular.
I love how people always bring up the they’ll have a bad life argument. Something tells me you wouldn’t have wanted to die in the womb. This all started in the modern era with eugenics. Assuming they’d be better off dead is some of the most bigoted stuff I’ve ever heard. As a society we use “You’ll wish you’d never been born” as the ultimate in threat. Pretending their somehow better being killed would be hilarious if it weren’t actually happening.
interesting kid, have you bought me lunch lately? I’ll totally get you back for that.
Fair enough, not every aborted baby may have a terrible life. And technically, preventing unwanted pregnancy earlier is safer and more morally sound if the embryo never develops into a fetus.
I understand that it sucks that we live in society where people have to get abortions, or that it’s sad when someone does have to get one. So I do understand the Pro-life argument, abortion sucks, but being pro-choice =/= pro-abortion. It’s pro the ability to choose to have one. Contraceptives like Plan B are a safer and more practical form of birth control that should be available to sexually active students if they need it.
That’s what I stand for, the freedom for women to choose to have a baby or not. And nobody should take away that right from another person.
I agree they have that choice. I just think that the choice comes long before pregnancy. We have rights, but our rights can’t infringe on anothers rights. When there’s a new organisim, with unique human DNA, it gets a little more complicated than only the rights of the one who’s walking around talking. That’s just the easy answer.
Life is a basic right, and no one should be able to take that away either. If you gotta do that with sex education and contraceptions, be my guest, but there’s a point where your choice came and went.
Great article and most certainly something to think about. I just want to make a point: how come all of these men are fighting over the idea of having Plan B on campus, when in reality none of them ever have to take it? If you’re not a woman, you shouldn’t have a say in what is right versus wrong for a woman and what they should do with their body. I will say that if Towson does decide to go forward with this idea, I would most certainly be 110% for it. Our bodies. Our choices. No man can tell us otherwise.
Not A Grad Student, you are my favorite person.
“Are you saying it’s an abortion if you have unprotected sex, then, without your knowledge, the fertilized egg doesn’t attach itself to the uterine wall and instead falls out?”
That would be a miscarriage, which is very different from an abortion. A miscarriage, while indeed unfortunate, is not an intentional destruction of life.
“That’s what I stand for, the freedom for women to choose to have a baby or not.”
Once conception occurs, there is no choice of whether she has a baby or not… it is whether she has a living baby or a dead baby. Sorry to put it so bluntly, but that’s really the fact of the matter. And one person just should not have the freedom to choose to end another innocent person’s life. That’s not what freedom is about.
“If you’re not a woman, you shouldn’t have a say in what is right versus wrong for a woman and what they should do with their body.”
Abortion is ending the lives of unborn girls AND boys. Fathers are losing their children to abortion just as much as mothers are. This isn’t a women’s rights issue, it’s a human rights issue, and all human beings should have the ability and the right to stand up and say something about it. It’s not your place to tell someone they’re not allowed to have an opinion based on their gender or anything else – that’s discriminatory. All that being said, what do you have to say to me? I’m a pro-life woman. Is my opinion valid enough for you?
Thank you Theresa,
And great point on miscarriage. Using miscarriage as an excuse to allow abortion is like using heart attacks an excuse to allow murder.
Please continue to fight as a pro life woman, we need pro life women to stand up for the lives of those little girls and boys, and against the misguided arguments of those like the above feminist.
‘Once conception occurs, there is no choice of whether she has a baby or not… it is whether she has a living baby or a dead baby. Sorry to put it so bluntly, but that’s really the fact of the matter. And one person just should not have the freedom to choose to end another innocent person’s life. That’s not what freedom is about.”
See the thing about this is that it’s not alive yet. Calling a fertilized egg a baby is just not accurate. It eventually becomes a living baby, but not until later in the pregnancy. You can’t equate contraceptives and abortion to murder, because they just aren’t. It’s preventing life, but not ending it.
Theresa i really hope that you realize you sound like a traitor to your gender.
I think the biggest irony of all time is that you will fight tooth and nail for a baby to be born, but once it gets here, unless it’s a straight christian, you turn against it. Would you still fight for those babies rights if they were born to a woman of muslim faith or was born a homosexual?
LOL Theresa, I wonder, as a pro-life female, if you were to get raped and impregnated, would you have that baby? Would you raise it and love it? The spawn of a man who cruelly violated you?
Doubtful.
Abortion isn’t pretty but it exists for a reason. Birth Control like Plan B is a cleaner way to prevent bad situations from happening.
I bet it must be nice to be able to afford an unwanted pregnancy. I know I couldn’t. Families like mine just could not support a surprise baby. That’s why I use contraceptives and condoms and am safe and smart about what I do with my body.
You’re basically accusing Pro-Choicers of not caring about the unborn children. But we do care. Just as much as you. And so I will have my children when I am financially stable, and able to love them. That is my choice. But I’m not ready for that, and countless women aren’t either.
“It eventually becomes a living baby, but not until later in the pregnancy.”
When, then, does life begin? When does a human being become valuable in your eyes?
“Theresa i really hope that you realize you sound like a traitor to your gender.”
lolololol.
“I think the biggest irony of all time is that you will fight tooth and nail for a baby to be born, but once it gets here, unless it’s a straight christian, you turn against it. Would you still fight for those babies rights if they were born to a woman of muslim faith or was born a homosexual?”
Thank you for just assuming things about what I believe. I’ll have you know that of course I would fight for them. They’re human beings, and every human life is a precious thing. Abortion is never okay. Don’t try to tell me what I believe, because you clearly have no idea.
“When, then, does life begin? ”
Life begins when the fetus grows a brain. As simple biology would explain.
That last statement was directed less at you and was more a general statement towards pro-life Christians in general. Because many would not.
@Lady Justice: “You’re basically accusing Pro-Choicers of not caring about the unborn children. But we do care. Just as much as you. And so I will have my children when I am financially stable, and able to love them. That is my choice. But I’m not ready for that, and countless women aren’t either.”
well said
“LOL Theresa, I wonder, as a pro-life female, if you were to get raped and impregnated, would you have that baby? Would you raise it and love it?”
Yes, I would. It wouldn’t be easy, and I will never, ever downplay the strength it takes to go through something like that, but an innocent child doesn’t deserve to die for the disgusting actions of his or her father. There are crisis pregnancy resources that are there to help women through things just like that, and I love that they are there to support women through these difficult situations.
“You’re basically accusing Pro-Choicers of not caring about the unborn children.”
I’m not accusing anybody of anything. I’m just stating what I believe. It’s not that I don’t think pro-choicers don’t care about children, I just think that they don’t fully understand what’s at stake with this issue.
Life begins when the brain fully forms? Oh…well neurologists have gone on record saying that doesn’t happen until about 21 years old…so…
It’s not worth arguing past this point. You will clearly never be able to see beyond your stubborn opinions.
And @Not a grad student (for obvi reasons) He didn’t say FULLY forms. He said when the Fetus grows a brain. Meaning when the brain is able to begin working, thus pumping the heart and respiration. Then, a baby is living. When it shows signs of life.
“Life begins when the fetus grows a brain. As simple biology would explain.”
But the brain is an ever-developing organ, right up until someone is into their 20′s. Does that mean a person isn’t a human being until then? And then you get into the issue of people who have brain trauma and such in which their brain is damaged or developmentally disrupted in some way… are they lesser human beings than the rest of us?
It’s a very fragile thing to base personhood on the development of an organ such as the brain or the heart. It makes much more sense that human life would begin at the being’s biological beginning – when his/her unique DNA is formed that distinguishes him/her from any other human being and the genetic information is present that guides his/her development for the rest of his/her life.
What about all the forms of life on this Earth that don’t have a brain at all?
There is only one singular moment that a person could logically see as a beginning, and it’s when two incomplete codes come together to be one specific DNA code. From that moment, the blueprint is set, and the life begins to form towards what the blueprint lays out.
Even if we were to take your vague starting point, it’s a failure right out of the gate, because if that’s your position, you’d be ethically inclined for abortion reform anyway. The brain begins to take real form in about week 3 of pregnancy. In most cases, the mother wouldn’t even be aware she’s pregnant yet. Even if she were, abortion in this country is legal for about another 18 weeks.
So apparently you are pro life and not even aware of it.
Lady Justice…Why? Did you just choose that point arbitrarily and say “This is what life is?” Because I can’t see any other reason. Scientists have agreed on 7 criteria for defining “life”, and a brain is NOT one of them. By your logic, a tree is not alive, having neither brain nor heart. Your argument is quite frankly stupid. Noone has ever been dumb enough to say that a brain is what describes life. The fact is, a fetus, no matter how long after fertilization, is composed of complex, living, reproducing cells. They are ALIVE. They have to be, because otherwise how would they be doing anything such as multiplying, consuming energy, etc? They have 23 unique pairs of chromosomes, distinguishing them completely from their mother. They are their own organism, existing within another’s body, yet 100% separate from it. There is no part of the human body that does not have the same DNA as all the rest. Therefore, a child, from the moment of conception, is its own distinct organism. One that is very much alive.
Mike…Seriously? A traitor to her gender??? Not only is that logically completely invalid (ad hominem fallacy, anyone?), it’s also a pretty stupid thing to say. Especially coming from you, for what I hope are at least somewhat obvious reasons…
I’ll take a traitor to one’s gender over a murderer any day. The thousands of women who attend the March for Life every year apparently agree with me. And I’ll take their word on what constitutes a “traitor to your gender” over yours.
Dear the YWC,
Please shut the fuck up and go away. Nobody respects you guys or your opinions. As entitled to them as you are. Please just leave the rest of us alone and let us enjoy our lives. Go simmer down and pray around your Confederate Flags in private. Nobody wants to hear from you.
You’re ruining this school,
THE ENTIRE TOWSON CAMPUS
We hold rational discussions and propose sensible viewpoints, you yell and scream while calling us names. Yes you are totally right, we definitely are the ones who need to simmer down. I must congratulate you on having the dedication to ask the opinions of every single person here at Towson, speaking for 20,000 people is a big responsibility. Must be rough being you. The fact that our membership keeps growing, local citizens and groups in the community have applauded us for our dedication to facing down the Leftist onslaught on campus, and plenty of students at Towson have showed support for our organization and views obviously means no one cares what we have to think. It is the duty of all Towson students to take a stand for freedom, liberty, and true American values as YWC does. I pray that one day you will find the courage to step out from behind your keyboard and take a stand like a man and not a coward like the majority of the Leftists on this campus are.
Apparently the entire Towson campus should stop reading through towerlight comments if it bothers them so much…
But then they wouldn’t get to write profanity on the internet quite as much today. Can’t be having that now, can we?
Because you don’t hide behind your keyboard? You’ll claim to be all about holding rational discussions. But you’ll write offensive things in chalk on campus at the dead of night, hold events that support the ideas of hatred, create offensive dioramas, post offensive comments on here and on facebook. But deny them, contradict them, or refuse to comment on them in person. You’re just as cowardly.
I’m sorry you get death threats and are the most universally despised people here. But then again, you’re honestly just asking for it. Even if you really think that’s not what you’re all about, then maybe you should work to try to prove to people otherwise because the image you’re portraying is terrible. And maybe if you looked around, and realized that you’re in such a minuscule minority, you could look in the mirror and think “Hey, maybe I’M the problem.” But you won’t and never could because you are a fixed minded individual who will never be able to accept any change or progression of any sort and hide behind your Right Wingedness and Religion, using them as weapons. You are an embarrassment to the entire Conservative side and all that is wrong with Christianity.
And i’ll sign my name because I am not afraid of you,
Mike Becker
PS: I think it’s fine to be conservative, your opinions are yours. But when you come at it like extremists and religious zealots trying to force your “morally superior” views on everyone, people are going to be mad. I’m not going to change how you think, but maybe you should fix how you act.
Mike Becker you need to calm down with your rash over generalizations about all of the pro life people being extremist Christians. According to your logical fallacies Pro-Life==> Christian===> extremist====> takes part in religious and racial discrimination as well as bigotry. Also, you really shouldn’t call women who are pro choice a “traitor to their gender” that was extremely insensitive. For the record I’m not Christian and I’m pro-choice, but you’re a moron.
I’m pretty sure Mike was specifically saying the YWC were the extremists, not all pro-life people…
Bill, I was referring to Mike when he said
“Theresa i really hope that you realize you sound like a traitor to your gender.
I think the biggest irony of all time is that you will fight tooth and nail for a baby to be born, but once it gets here, unless it’s a straight christian, you turn against it. Would you still fight for those babies rights if they were born to a woman of muslim faith or was born a homosexual?”
Theresa made no mention of her being Christian. Yet he made that assumption and then took it further by making the jump that she is somehow a bigot against homosexuals and muslims.
And yet the other side are ignorant extremists…code for does not agree with me…
Wow these comments. I think Mike’s problem is trying to argue with and change people who never will. :/
I would support having Plan B on campus. I think it’s a safer and easier option for students.
“Theresa made no mention of her being Christian. Yet he made that assumption and then took it further by making the jump that she is somehow a bigot against homosexuals and muslims.”
Are we going to pretend that this Theresa isn’t the one dating Matthew Heimbach? I would say it’s not a huge leap for the girl dating the guy who organized an anti-gay marriage rally and has “ISLAM SUCKS” on his facebook banner to share similar ideas. Clearly she doesn’t keep tolerant company.
I think it’s kind of funny that everyone keeps saying that people like me don’t change. I became Christian about a year ago. Since then my entire outlook on life has shifted completely. It continues to change daily. I guess I’m wondering, if you’re not one of us “intolerant bigots,” how is it that you claim to know how we think???
Brandon, you are an idiot.
Mike Becker…You realise our names and photographs have been in multiple news publications right? It’s not really a mystery as to who we are. John Donovan and Matthew Heimbach. We chalk at night so that people don’t run us over on the way to class, we post here because it’s an effective way to hold dialogue (even if the dialogue itself is not entirely effective) and I think you contradicted yourself about us holding events on campus…If we were afraid of showing our faces, wouldn’t we NOT be doing that??? I’m not sure why you have to say you’re not afraid of us…We haven’t exactly been hurting anyone. We haven’t even made any threats. Apparently only the tolerant people do that.
Brandon, I have no idea who you’re talking about. How would I know about the social life of some random person I don’t know? Maybe I’m just not as involved as you. If that’s the case than I was in the wrong.
This is NOT an abortion pill. If you read it, which college students should be able to do, it blocks ovulation just like the birth control pill. The woman is not already pregnant!!
Also, college students should know the difference between ‘there’ and ‘their’.
“Are we going to pretend that this Theresa isn’t the one dating Matthew Heimbach? I would say it’s not a huge leap for the girl dating the guy who organized an anti-gay marriage rally and has “ISLAM SUCKS” on his facebook banner to share similar ideas. Clearly she doesn’t keep tolerant company.”
lol. You really, really do not know the slightest thing about me, but it’s nice of you to just assume things like that. And I hate to break it to you, but personally attacking me does absolutely nothing for your argument…
Brandon you have decided to bring a whole new issue to the forefront. You can attack me all you want, but when you bring those I care about into the mix I get a bit heated. If you aren’t a total coward I would like to solve this sometime at a location of your choosing. Your fucking left wing scum and I would love to discuss this with you in person.
Really, guys? Is this how we’re going to end this? With the discussion of violence? Listen, it’s great that we all have our own opinions about this topic, but there is absolute no point in discussing it with the undertone of hate! No one is going to make any progress anywhere with this type of conversation because, quite frankly, people of our age are mostly (mostly, not always) very stubborn.
In addition, I agree with Matthew Heimbach in the sense that we should meet up with each other, but not to fight. Don’t you all think it would be great if we could all just have a calm, rational conversation together? Anyway, that’s all I had to say.
-NOTA
@Matt, if you think your morals are so commendable then why are you calling people “fucking left wing scum”?
You are correct, I should not swear at the left wing scum. You know a tree by it’s fruits, so I called a spade a spade. And NOTA I appreciate your comment, but I do not remeber mentioning violence. I simply desire a nice friendly conversation with the “gentleman” mentioned above. Violence is not on the agenda, I just feel that the opposition is so cowardly they won’t even approach the men of YWC face to face. Instead they attack women and hide behind keyboards, just like the cowards they have proved themselves to be time and time again.
Ok, as long as violence isn’t involved then I can’t really complain. Carry on!
-NOTA
Though i do think it was out of line to call out that girl, you definitely seemed intent on violence. But don’t act like the other side is the only people who hide on the internet. From your track record Matthew, you have a history of saying one thing online, and then contradicting yourself in person. The internet is a tool being used by both sides so they can express their ugly true feelings.
I’m not saying I agree or disagree with you, but someone made a point earlier that you’re being judged by how you act. And you’ve made quite the name for yourself this year through your actions. If you do not like your reputation of being a right-wing extremist bigot then maybe you should fix a few things.
I don’t know you, just pointing out what was said before does hold truth.
This entire argument has gotten way out of control.
Why does it repeat that she, or when she had to take it? She didn’t have to do anything. She chose to.
She said the second time they didn’t use contraception at the time of fornication. How is this Plan B? Sounds like it was plan wow, I guess we should do something to avoid the consequences of our sober choice.
In response to Grad Student:
Hilarious how you espouse “pro-choice” “values” but at the same time make the argument that people have no right to choice whether or not they want their tax payer dollars funding something that goes directly against their conscience.
You are just another ignorant liberal.
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